and if you per steve obama as winning, that's a great dig and if you perceive obama as lose, it's an embarrassing sign of desperation. it teams to color -- once independent voters do get around to paying attention to the news, does it color the news that they get? >> well, again, it does depend on are they getting the news by watching something on "saturday night live," which we use ago a great arbiter of now where a lot of folks who are very passive, and i completely agree with charlie on, you know, you are all wonderful people, but no one in this room is norm ham, right? -- normal, right? including people on this panel in -- we just spent how many minutes talking about the possibility of a popular electoral vote split. i would love to go poll people around america, how many times they've actually thought about that in their lives. so any way, so that show, for many people who are like passively watching this rails, does give them an image of that, and look, the image that was created was crafted of mitt romney, both on the comedy shows and then in traditional media, and of course,